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what a hoot!

And when you search "american peace", does it answer it only knows about "american war" ?
Because here in europe, some of us start to really fear the american agressivity...

Ah, that traditional German sense of humour!

Well, when the americans come up after kicking ass in the middle east and invade europe it would probably be best not to count on the French to save the day.

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I support monkey world domination. You should too. Face the truth...

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Searching "American Peace" on google.com "I'm Feeling Lucky"

result:

http://www.apn.org/

American Peace Network

Geifel, I agree with you. I'm tired of Americans dying for your wimpy European ass. As long as these dictators and terrorist are in your hemisphere, woe be it to you! But, as long as our American troops are over in your hemisphere taking care of YOUR dirty laundry, I'll support them. Your right! You would have been better off with the Hitler, and Mousselini's (sp) of the world. You would have had to receive permission to post on this website WIMP! Osama's tu Mama!

You know what Geifel. Get over it. "American agression" is what has managed to liberate the citizens of Afganistan. It's also managed to prevent major wars in the middle east for quite some time now. So untill your lazy government starts doing something about Hussein and his ilk, don't talk to us about American agression.

The nice thing about being an American is that we are not a single nation. Instead we are melting pot of people from all over the world. I’m Cherokee, German, Scottish, and bastard (you would have to know my dad). The best part of being an American is that I’m allowed to voice my opinion and I respect everyone else’s including the French, German and Russia. I’ve served in our military during the Vietnam conflict and have earned the right to my opinion which does not mean mine is correct or better than anyone else’s. It;s just an opinion that needs to be heard.

You know what is a real young american ?
A big fat man or woman or both ,
with drugs in his right pocket ,
and two guns in his left pocket ,
he does not know what war is ,
because they don't see everyday
many military war monuments
or military graveyards.
We in Europe knows what a war is
because many of our families does not have uncles or grand-father anymore.
I love the old US generation but hate the
young one.
I hate Bush and Collin Powell.
"Young US generation are stupid,very fat,
full of guns and drugs " .... no not all of you.Great.
Some of you "like" wars ... it's like a game ... but ask HOW WAS THE "GAME" IN VIETNAM ?
Did you saw the movie "Bowling for Columbine" ????????
Thanks to some of you who respect our opinion and I will respect yours then.
Proud to be european and not an american slave.

I think the french don't want to fight in this war because they don't want to help rebuild Iraq after it's done. They know the Americans will get the job done no matter what so why should they risk their necks or cash? The french can never commit. They couldn't even destroy their own navy to prevent the Germans from getting it. We (Americans) had to do it for them! Open your eyes frenchy, what kind of a person is Saddam? Do you think he is any better than Hitler? Instead of hating Jews, Saddam hates Jews AND Christians AND anyone else who isn't muslim.

Ok for Saddam Hussein ... he should be removed from Irak but WHY NOW AND NOT BEFORE ... ten years ago ?
and WHY DID US HELP THE POOR citizens in Afghanistan NOW AND NOT TEN YEARS AGO ????
It's not a matter of supporting Saddam ... I want to see his him hanging too but think !
why now and not ten years ago ?
for simply economical and political reasons.
Afterall I'm not french ,I'm belgian.
And you hit our french and german friends and we don't like it.
We say in french " Ne jamais vendre la peau de l'ours avant de l'avoir tuer" ... it's mean " never say the bear skin before you kill him" ... and it is what you see in a lot of US media.
I have respect for smart people with brain and Saddam,Sharon,Arafat and Bush are not this kind of people I respect.

In french :
"Ne jamais vendre la peau de l'ours avant de l'avoir tuer"
means in english "
"Never sell the bear's skin before killing him".
We leave in 2003 and not in 1940-45

How very interesting sitting here at 10 on a Friday morning in Little Old England reading those comments by Chris and Laura. I hope they were ironic or else you are doing yourselves, America and a whole lot of history a terrible disservice.
Afghanistan firstly, I do believe that the American service personnel did have a little bit of help from the European breatheren! Just as the Americans did NOT win World War II on their own. The rest of Europe had been involved in that little party for three years before the US finally decided to lend a hand, so much for our whimpy European asses, Laura. And the UK paid you well for your services rendered. That is one reason why England was so run down for so many years after WWII. So please don't run away with the idea that your support was for gratis, as noble and as vital as it was.
Back to the notion that Europeans are whimpy. Are you aware that in Northern Ireland and the UK we have been living with a Terrorist threat since 1969? The IRA have murdered many hundreds of people in their 'glorious battle for freedom ' including two children on Mothering Sunday as recently as the mid 1990's.
Europe has suffered numerous land wars and suffered under countless dictators over the past few THOUSAND years and we have prevailed. So please don't sit there in your vast isolated continent and preach to us about our strength of character.

Your losses on 09/11 were tragic and should never have happened. Nobody whatever their ethnic origins should suffer such a devastating blow. But America does not have a right to pick and choose which dictatorship should fall. There are many countries in the world living under appalling governments.
Show us the proof that Iraq has these weapons of mass destruction and we will act. Otherwise it appears that Mr Bush is after blood for his own glory.

Katie: When Iraq comes knocking on your door, you will have all the proof of mass destruction. Will you act then? It will probably be to late for your reaction. What does it take to make you realize what is going on around you? A bomb to drop on your head? Good luck to you.

Wow....there are some people in America who really believe that a war against Iraq is the right thing to do. I think that I'm stunned at that fact. There are so many places to start an argument against that point of view that I'm not sure that I can.

With so many of the worlds population against the war, how can the governments of the US and UK go ahead with it. The reasons that they are using to justify the war are so flimsy and hypocritical that there must be other motivations behind it otherwise they wouldn't take the risk. What can those reasons be?

A) Oil

B) GWB wants a war so that he can make daddy proud

C) Blair wants a war so that his wife can by a timeshare in Baghdad

D) they're trying to frighten North Korea (like that's going to work as Kim Jong II is completely hatstand and you can't reason with a fruitcake

Why can't America invade Iraq in the way that they've invaded everyone else recently. Have a massive airdrop of McDonalds and Nike. Not that I approve of that so much but it's better than bombs

What with all the sadness and trauma going on in the world at the
moment,
it is worth reflecting on the death of a very important person which
almost went unnoticed last week. Larry La Prise, the man who wrote "The Hokey
Cokey" died peacefully at age 93.
The most traumatic part for his family was getting him into the coffin.
They put his left leg in ... and then the trouble started.

Who else than Iraq has mass destruction weapons?

Great-Britan? France? Yes sure, and may be United States too?

It's up to you not to hear the call up I don't wanna die, It's up to you not to hear the call up I don't wanna kill…

I was thinking about the people from Iraq.

(Thank's to Joe Strummer)

Well, just to answer one of the comments. Americans should better learn the world history. It's the Brits at Mer el Kebir who sank the Froggy navy not the American. FOr the rest, Saddam is a bad guy but he's not the only one on earth and he won't be the last. If we had to go to war against all of them we're in big big big massive trouble here....

Money they say, and a good war they'll play…

Bush crusade and his religion war, no thank's. You'd bettrer give up man.

If the idiots could fly, Bush would be the chief of flight.

In French: Si les cons pouvaient voler, Bush en serait le chef d'escadrille.

I don't want to die by US bombs , mammy !!
I don't want to die by US bombs , mammy !!I don't want to die by US bombs , mammy !!I don't want to die by US bombs , mammy !!I don't want to die by US bombs , mammy !!I don't want to die by US bombs , mammy !!I don't want to die by US bombs , mammy !!
please mammy , please !!!
Put Bush and Saddam on another planet
and all those who loves them.

I was just about to fire off something to the gung ho brigade at the top when I saw that katie did the job for me. Spot on katie. Have Laura and Chris and the rest of you got any idea what happens outside your country (or sgould that be state)?

George dubbya wants a war to avenge 9/11. End of story. He said "don't worry everyone, we'll get Osama". Well that didn't work so he turned his sights to Iraq.
First it was the truly ridiculous 'links to Al Quaeda', and when that was unproven it was weapons. Well now that's unproven as well.

A.P.Dunbar asks what it will take to make us believe what's going on - well certainly a lot more than the word of GWB, who scares me a hell of alot more than Saddam does. It's called proof A.P.

Do you think war will solve the problem ? How many more terrorists do you think you'll create by once again marching in where you're not wanted?

It is sad to see a lot of people that can reason here, who are merely interested to comment while a bunch of guys sitting in a USD 3,000 suit with a Harvard or West Point diploma on the wall behind are planning the biggest economic deal of the last 30 years.
Civil society and all those who reason should take active attitude and manifest for their believes. You SHOULD GO OUT ON THE STREETS INSTEAD OF WRITING IN SOME STUPID INTERNET FORUM.
War is a business for these people and deaths are "collateral damage".
America needs this war to restore the macroeconomic equilibrium of the mighty USD who is going down the drane.
Only the first 3 out of 30 irakian oil reserves are the equivalent of USA strategi reserve !!!!
MANIFEST ON THE STREETS if you want them to consider your opinions.
They would worry about next elections and worry about loosing the bread.

peter cabron

I guess Nazis done it before. Check the history. 1939 Guernica, Spain.
Why F the people simply can't learn about history...?
Why enyone have imagined that if communism gone then the war should be over?

And why some simply soul believes it is for USA and for US people?

(Be prepared for the first war for the minerals of the Moon ;)

Laura
I am not surprised to hear you making such stupid comments as you do. Hitler and Mussolini (lack of spelling must be your great American educational system) might be heroes of yours, but they certainly aren't for us Europeans I suspect your point of reference is Bush the "leader of the Free World". Also, petal Geographically speaking Irak is also in your hemisphere the Northern hemisphere . So why don't you go back to school learn about history, geography,spelling and civilisation and ask your mummy to buy you some sweets. Now let me explain to you a few thnigs. America wants the oil, the French, Russians, Germans and chinese and probably most of the UN (I'll spell it for you, United Nations so you can keep on following me) are against this war as it has a great potential to destabilise the world. So instead of making such stupid noises why don't you inform yourself , this will raise your level of discussion to adult level. England, France and the rest of Europe are growingly anti-Bush, please don't make us anti-american . Thank you.

It was actually set up by a Canadian, check out the link:
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Intersting debate, but not much thought going on. Steping back from the emotion helps one see more clearly. Foreign policy is always selfish never ultruistic. Always has been always will be. US policy is driven by what the administration see as being their interests and France's by theirs. Both are motivated by considerations over oil, influence and power. Saddam's motive's are the same.

War will happen because these interests cannot be reconciled. Moral justifications help gather support for action, but no-one ever went to war for solely moral reasons. Even the crusaders were in it for salvation, booty and control. WW2 was not fought to prevent genocide but to protect individual European Nations soverignty and economic interests as well as restrict German expansion. Ditto WW1. US Civil War was about a colision of two economic systems rather more than slavery.

As an American citizen... I have a few thoughts to share. This country was based on freedom of religion. The pilgrims came to The New World for one reason, to get away from religious control to where they could worship God freely. With as much secular activity in the United States as there is, this country still manages to remain One Nation Under God. As Americans, we believe in freedom. We fight for our freedom and the freedom of others. Men and women sign their lives away to protect this freedom for people they do and dont know. They sign up their lives to protect the freedom our ancestor's lives purchased us. Sadam opposes the freedom of his own people, and the people of other nations. How can anyone say they fear a man fighting to save freedom more than a man hiding weapons of mass destruction. With Bush, you get what you see. He speaks of his desires and plans openly, unlike Saddam who sits in his chambers with a smirk because he realizes the world is full of idiots who buy into his act of innocence. I agree with Digger... Hitler hated Jews... Saddam hates everyone. If nobody does anything to stop him, it will only be a matter of time before we are all stockpiled into concentration camps to die from the scientific experiments of a man who isn't even a scientist.. If Sadam openly expresses that he performs experiments on prisoners in his own country, then autopsies them to see the effects of his chemical experiments, what do you think he will do with those of us who are Christians, or Jews, or any other religion for that matter?

This is in response to all those who have questioned my earlier comments as well as those of Laura. Among them are the following: Steven, Simmo, Katie, Kihaadiza.

I will attempt to comment on each of your individual statments, but I can only do so for so long.

Kihaadiza: To you I would first like to say that not all Americans are fat. I myself am 6' 1" and I weigh 153 lbs. That is nowhere near what some would call fat. Secondly, you are right in saying that not all Americans use drugs, but to say that that is the majority thinking and actions of the citizens of America shows your ignorance. I myself have never smoked pot. I've never inhaled an illegal substance. I've never injected toxic chemicals into my body. I'd also like to inform you that if you are going to refer to my country, pleas do not refer to it as "America." That term is not reserved for my country, but instead for the three divisions of the land masses. North, Middle and South America, are all America. I've spent enough time in third world countries with people who are starving to know that they too are Americans. If you are going to refer to my country, Refer to it as the United States of America. Do I refer to your country as Europe, or Asia, or Africa? No, I give your country the respect that it deserves. I would also like to state that your idea of "two guns in his left pocket" is so far off base that I hate to make comments on it. First and foremost, school shootings such as Columbine and Thurston have touched many people in ways that you will never understand. My fiancee whom I have been with for 5 years now went to Thurston High School. She was there the day that Kip Kinkle began his shooting... Do you know what it is like to be a teenager and to find out through the News that the school someone you love goes to has had a shooting? If not than I would suggest that you back off of this topic right now.

In addition to the rest of your comments, you stated that we do not know what war is. You are wrong. We know what war is. Don't tell me that I don't know what it is like to loose someone to war. I never knew my Uncle because he died serving his country in the Vietnam WAR. I do not see war as a game. I see war as an abomonation. However, there have been times in history that War has been needed to stop reigns of terror and evil.

Why now and not 10 years ago you ask? Well, that would be the fact that William Jefferson Clinton whom I will never refer to as Mr. President, was our elected official. Bill Clinton was a bad man. He took no action to stop Hussein because he didn't want to loose the support of other world leaders. He refused to be a leader, and in doing so accomplished nothing but his own discrace.

Katie: I love the British. In my opinion, you are by far one of the greatest nations currently on this globe. You have been a great help to us over the years, and I will never forget that the British and American troops died together in WWII. I have more respect for Mr. Blair than I do for many people. The fact that he supports the United States is important to me.

To address your question as to wether or not Saddam has weapons... Well, this is what the war is about. On many occasions, we (I'm talking about the UN hear not just the United States) have offered him chances to disband his weapons programs, but nearly every time that we send inspectors to check to see if he has dissolved these programs, we find that he has failed to do so. This pattern goes back further than I am cappable of remembering. It is time for the UN to take action on this matter. Saddam has never complied with UN sanctions or regulations.

Simmo: May I ask you, what happened today in the United States of America? I can tell you that over the last few days Blair and Chirac hae been making phone calls to one another. I can also tell you that in UN resolution number 1441 there were threats of military action against Iraq should they fail to meet a deadline... that hasn't been met. Don't attempt to tell me I don't know what goes on outside of my own Country.

How much time have you spent feeding dying children in one room homes with dirt floors? When was the last time you hiked through a rain forest to provide medication for viligers with disintary? Why do you think that US citizens are limited to the scope of what goes on in our own homes? That is a brash and foolish assumption.

Let me clarify something for you, first of all, the US military reports that they have located Bin Laden. He is within an area that has not been defined, but he is there. I'm personally not able to speak on this issue, and I would ask that you not press it.

There are infact links between Al Quaeda and Saddam. He is of the millitant faction of Muslims and is a strong supporter of anti-Christian anti-Semite views. Hittler was an anti-semetist, and look what he did.

You my friend have spoken in ignorance. There are indeed weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. That is the reason that they failed the Resolution proposed by the UN.

I'm also sorry to see that you feel the US was not wanted in Afganistahn. Before the US entered the country, they were being persecuted by the Taliban. In a matter of weeks we managed to remove the Taliban threat without the killing of innocent citizens. They are now living under a mostly peacful democratic government and are not complaining about it. So please, before you bash the things my country has done, don't assume that we did it unwarentedly.

Steven: If you couldn't tell that Laura's comments were intended to show you that dictatorship is oppresion, then you are blind. She was stating that, were those two still in power, you would not have the freedom to access the net and disscuss this in an open forum.

ugh, please don't think the arrogant comments of chris and laura are reflective of how many americans (well, most americans i know, including me) feel about iraq or foreign policy. bush is an illegitimate president (thanks, nader voters) and has taken the country hostage with his extreme right-wing agenda (the Senate just helped him gain one more step in reversing Roe v Wade rights). go read www.salon.com for thoughtful and nuanced coverage on current events and check out brian eno's article "The US Needs to Open Up" in TIME.com Europe edition. It will do you a world of good.

Well Stated Chris. I commend everything you had to say. Sadlly, some morons in our own country think they could run the country better themselves. Agreed that Clinton was never referred to as "Mr. President" by anyone i know either. Nothing like having to babysit the person who is supposed to be in charge of our country. I am very thankful to have a man in office who doesnt forget his agenda when a rack of boobs walks in his office. I want to remind everyone who thinks that America loves war.... that one of our own Generals...by the name of Robert E. Lee....stated, " It is well that war is such a horrible thing, lest we become too fond of it." There is a time for everything, for everything there is a season. There is a time to sit on your butt and just live your hunky dorey lives...but there is also a time to look at the big picture... and quit just thinking about your own country and your own people. Lord help us all as the season of war is upon us. I am amazed at how some people are so blind. I am so sick of everyone putting The USA down and reaming us. In my personal opinion anyone who is a member of the U.N. should share the same goal. Keeping peace. If someone invades that peace...what do we do? Twiddle our thumbs? I think not. Are we not all in this together? I mean...seriously... do people really think Hussein is clean? Do people really think that all his stalling is just because he didnt have time? HAS HE NOT HAD ENOUGH TIME? I have an idea... why dont we give him 1 more year. Better yet, how bout 2 more. Maybe by then, all these idiots who are spouting their comments will be dead from a bomb that accidentally rolled from Iraq to their country. I wonder what those people that managed to survive somehow will do. Call on the United States for help? More than likely.

Chris ,

If all americans ( US ) could be like you the world will certainly much better , and the CIA had never trained Bin Laden and sold weapons to Irak and give military supports to some south-american countries to protect the US from the communism.

USA ,

You can be proud ,
you have your war ,
you will be able to kill thousands of irakian civilians,
fighty for oil ,
killing for revenge ,
Your president is an ASSHOLL of first class
EVEN ALL WHO FOLLOW HIM

The same replaced by US gives :
http://www. wnpt.net/ rachel /timeline/ 1812_1823.html

With the first reference :
1812 February 6 U.S. declared war on Great Britain !!!!!

advice : search for
Bush Prescott nazi
then
Bush Bin Laden Arbusto
or
Bush alcohol

See and read the reality, the war is a virtual game...

Edit: Broke up the URL because it was messing up my formatting. -Sha

The good news:
- Saddam Hussein and his horrible regime have been defeated
- USA controls the Iraq oil (this is good news for USA only)

The bad news:
- there are still many dictators around the world. Most of them may sleep quiet, some because they are REALLY dangerous, others because they reign on countries with no oil nor other important ressources...
- UN, a very important - although far from beeing perfect - effort to cope with problems through discussion, is down. Some country (I mean France) that tried to give its opinion in this forum (I mean UN), respecting the rules of the forum (veto has been used by USA many times), is considered as a betrayer (could you beleave that?). Some other country (I mean USA) said that either UN follow their dictates or UN is useless and USA will not bound itself to follow it. This is how a 50-years effort is almost completely destroyed.

Other news:
- EU, a very important - although far from beeing perfect - effort to build a powerful and peaceful european common space, is also down. I am very pessimistic: some countries in Europe, leaded by UK, prefer us beeing vassals of USA. I am afraid this view will prevail.
Bad news for Europe, good news for USA as it wants to rule the whole world.

I think unbalanced domination is always a problem.
It always leads to a dictatorial position, i.e. a position where dominating people think they are always right and are ready to impose their vues to others, by force if necessary. This is of cause justified by that beleave that they are (must be) right (inspired by God, for instance, an argument often used by Muslims and others including GWB).

To me, USA has taken such a dictatorial position in this affair, and this is what frighten me so much. USA appears to me as claming to the world:
"There is only one good way of thinking: ours. If you don't accept it, we'll impose it to you. We don't want to listen to you (or we'll politely listen, but the decisions are already taken anyway). We just want you to obey our dictates."

Look at the "reasons" for this war. No proven link to Al Quaeda, nor weapons of mass destruction. Freeing Iraq and building there a democracy? What if a pro-Iran anti-USA government emerges, which is quite possible?
The real reason has been given by Simmo: GWB wants a war to avenge 9/11. The good thing (for him) is that, in addition, it gives USA a geo-strategic control on huge oil reserves and more generally increases USA domination over the world.

Please understand me. I do not want Europe to become the world dominator in place of USA. I dream of a powerful and peaceful Europe able to counterbalance this single super-mega-hyper-power. I dream of other countries or federations of countries (Chinese, Arabs, Black-Africans, South-Americans, ...) joining with similar roles. I dream of a place like UN where these several groups meat each other and negociate to solve their divergences.

Well, I better stop dreaming and re-read "The Wolf and the Lamb" by Jean de La Fontaine.
http://www.beastsandcitizens.com/wolf.htm

Check this one:

http://www. internetcetera. com/dems